Sprinkler Systems Uhaul move Lawn care Roses and trees Ford Parts Chrysler Parts Lake Powell New IPod Touch Apps New IPhone Apps IPhone Apps IPad Information IPad Apps Android APPS Android Games APPS Android Systems Android Tablets APPS and Beyond Smartphone Apps Smartphone Games Apps Repair and Tools Tablet PC Car Sharing Car Leasing Tabler Pc Fly Fishing Toyota Cars Vacation Rentals Stock market NYSE SSE Stock Freight & Shipping News Gluten Lactose Gout My Coupon Life Campgrounds Check Outdoor Kitchen Design and Redoo Bath Remodeling Palm Springs Las Vegas Vacation Tipps Lake Powell Boating Homes for lease Electric and green Car Blog Pearls and diamonds Whatsapp and forget SMS Blog, What is Whatsapp App Solar Panel Solar Energie Sun Power Blog
Reader


[Suche]  [Administrator]  [Hinweise zum Reader]  [Startseite]
Fantasy » alt.fan.pratchett » [I] Local politics
[I] Local politics [message #234682] Di, 07 März 2006 01:28
Flesh-eating Dragon  
There's a state election coming up, here in South Australia.

State elections are always boring, because nothing remotely interesting
in politics ever happens at the state level.

The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
Australia's marine emblem.

This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
factor of my vote.

Or can it?

<thinks>

Nah.

Pity. Few political decisions are that sensible.

Adrian.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234685 ] Di, 07 März 2006 01:41
Puck  
Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
> Australia's marine emblem.
>
> This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
> factor of my vote.
>
> Pity. Few political decisions are that sensible.

Well, it all depends on what the other bloke wanted. If it was a sea slug or
a sand dollar or something lame like that then go with the Dragon fella. At
least Leafy Sea Dragons are cool looking.

It's no more silly than whatever the people over here who voted for Bush
based their descisions on.
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234689 ] Di, 07 März 2006 03:19
bbottorff  
> It's no more silly than whatever the people over here who voted for Bush
> based their descisions on.

Were you in-state during that election? Consider that my job takes me
all across Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati... I was halfway considering
voting for whichever candidate interrupted my workday the least by
clogging up traffic on major interstates as they stopped in for their
whirlwind visits.

I never, ever want to be in a swing state with the most votes up for
grabs, ever again.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234706 ] Di, 07 März 2006 06:04
Puck  
Boyd Bottorff wrote:
>> It's no more silly than whatever the people over here who voted for
>> Bush based their descisions on.
>
> Were you in-state during that election? Consider that my job takes me
> all across Columbus, Dayton, and Cincinnati... I was halfway
> considering voting for whichever candidate interrupted my workday the
> least by clogging up traffic on major interstates as they stopped in
> for their whirlwind visits.
>
> I never, ever want to be in a swing state with the most votes up for
> grabs, ever again.

Yes, unfortunately, I was here on campus. Never live on a campus during any
sort of political event! Students know the solutions to all the world's
ills, and are more than happy to sum them up for you in the form of an
angrily shouted slogan.

On the plus side, I got to see Bruce Springstein perform for free because he
visited here. Oh so did John Kerry, but lets face it, we mainly showed up
for Bruce.
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234710 ] Di, 07 März 2006 07:25
Eric Jarvis  
Flesh-eating Dragon dragon [at] netyp.com.au wrote in
<1141691325.259184.180460 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>:
> There's a state election coming up, here in South Australia.
>
> State elections are always boring, because nothing remotely interesting
> in politics ever happens at the state level.
>
> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
> Australia's marine emblem.
>
> This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
> factor of my vote.
>
> Or can it?
>
> <thinks>
>
> Nah.
>
> Pity. Few political decisions are that sensible.
>

Go with it. It works for me. At least you agree about something. That's
not bad going in this day and age. Though I'd recommend doing a bit of
research. It would be embarrassing to vote for somebody and then discover
that unbeknownst to you they had been a serial killer, a cat torturer, or
a member of the Bay City Rollers.

--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234717 ] Di, 07 März 2006 12:12
Kimberley Verburg  
Puck wrote:
> Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
>> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
>> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
>> Australia's marine emblem.
>>
>> This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
>> factor of my vote.

> Well, it all depends on what the other bloke wanted. If it was a sea slug or
> a sand dollar or something lame like that then go with the Dragon fella. At
> least Leafy Sea Dragons are cool looking.

Google "leafy sea dragon". Wow, that is really very pretty. Definitely a
point in this MP's favour. On the other hand, is it sensible to choose a
species that's even a little bit threatened as your emblem?

--
Kimberley Verburg
kim [at] lspace.org
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234728 ] Di, 07 März 2006 14:14
X Kyle M Thompson  
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Kimberley Verburg wrote:

>Puck wrote:
>> Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
>>> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
>>> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
>>> Australia's marine emblem.
>>>
>>> This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
>>> factor of my vote.
>
>> Well, it all depends on what the other bloke wanted.
>> at least Leafy Sea Dragons are cool looking.
>
>Google "leafy sea dragon". Wow, that is really very pretty. Definitely a
>point in this MP's favour. On the other hand, is it sensible to choose a
>species that's even a little bit threatened as your emblem?

I don't think you have to use the actual creature as the emblem,
a pictorial representation will work.

kt.
--
So I went down the ice-cream shop, and said 'I want to buy an ice-cream'.
He said 'Hundreds & Thousands?' I said 'We'll start with one.'
Re: Local politics [message #234729 ] Di, 07 März 2006 14:16
Mindi  
> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
> Australia's marine emblem.
>


See if you can get "Sunrise" to do a phone poll on the importance of
marine emblems, you know they would love to!

Mindi
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234731 ] Di, 07 März 2006 14:43
Puck  
X Kyle M Thompson wrote:
>> Google "leafy sea dragon". Wow, that is really very pretty.
>> Definitely a point in this MP's favour. On the other hand, is it
>> sensible to choose a species that's even a little bit threatened as
>> your emblem?
>
> I don't think you have to use the actual creature as the emblem,
> a pictorial representation will work.

You mean Australia doesn't use live models like the AM Heralds? I'm
disapointed.
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234733 ] Di, 07 März 2006 14:53
X Kyle M Thompson  
On Tue, 7 Mar 2006, Puck wrote:

>X Kyle M Thompson wrote:
>>> Google "leafy sea dragon". Wow, that is really very pretty.
>>> Definitely a point in this MP's favour. On the other hand, is it
>>> sensible to choose a species that's even a little bit threatened as
>>> your emblem?
>>
>> I don't think you have to use the actual creature as the emblem,
>> a pictorial representation will work.
>
>You mean Australia doesn't use live models like the AM Heralds? I'm
>disapointed.

Coo, I took an I fred and almost made it R without even
realising.

Go me.

kt..
--
Two cows standing next to each other in a field, Daisy said to
Dolly 'I was artificially inseminated this morning.'
'I don't believe you,' said Dolly
'It's true, straight up, no bull!'
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234749 ] Di, 07 März 2006 17:09
Sofia  
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 06:25:42 +0000, Eric Jarvis wrote:



>> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
>> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
>> Australia's marine emblem.
>>
>> This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
>> factor of my vote.
>>
>> Or can it?
>>
>>
> Go with it. It works for me. At least you agree about something. That's
> not bad going in this day and age. Though I'd recommend doing a bit of
> research. It would be embarrassing to vote for somebody and then
> discover that unbeknownst to you they had been a serial killer, a cat
> torturer, or a member of the Bay City Rollers.


.... or if you're really unlucky, you might even get another Arnold
Swartznegger! :-(


All the best


Sofie

--
Please visit my deviantART page: http://sofen.deviantart.com/
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234762 ] Di, 07 März 2006 18:10
raymond larsson  
In article <duj49u$9u3$1 [at] charm.magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu>, Puck says...

> On the plus side, I got to see Bruce Springstein perform for free because he
> visited here. Oh so did John Kerry, but lets face it, we mainly showed up
> for Bruce.

For having to listen to Kerry, the least they should have done was bring
the real Boss.

--
rgl [s/ei/ee] wondering if Clarence & Mike 'Pinball' Clemons are
related
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234823 ] Di, 07 März 2006 22:10
bbottorff  
> On the plus side, I got to see Bruce Springstein perform for free because he
> visited here. Oh so did John Kerry, but lets face it, we mainly showed up
> for Bruce.

I believe it was Winston Churchill who said something along the lines of
"The greatest arguement against democracy is five minutes with the
average voter." [1]

I've never understood the concept of "vote for this guy because a
popular person is going to vote for him. No special reason to do so
that you haven't heard somewhere else, but Springstein/Bono/whoever is
going to vote for him, so you should, too."

C'mon, guys, didn't you outgrow that BEFORE you left high school?


[1] And my corrolary: "The second greatest arguement against democracy
is five minutes with the average politician."
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234835 ] Di, 07 März 2006 23:08
Puck  
Boyd Bottorff wrote:
>> On the plus side, I got to see Bruce Springstein perform for free
>> because he visited here. Oh so did John Kerry, but lets face it, we
>> mainly showed up for Bruce.
>
> I believe it was Winston Churchill who said something along the lines
> of "The greatest arguement against democracy is five minutes with the
> average voter." [1]
>
> I've never understood the concept of "vote for this guy because a
> popular person is going to vote for him. No special reason to do so
> that you haven't heard somewhere else, but Springstein/Bono/whoever is
> going to vote for him, so you should, too."

I didn't vote for Kerry because Bruce liked him. I only even slightly like
Bruce. I just found it amusing that thousands of college kids (who are often
percieved to be liberal and politically enthusiastic) only went to the
political rally of their favorite candidate because a rocker who, lets face
it, is mainly listened to by our parents' generation was going to be there.

--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234847 ] Di, 07 März 2006 23:14
raltbos  
"Flesh-eating Dragon" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:

> There's a state election coming up, here in South Australia.

Local council elections this very day, in the Netherlands.

> State elections are always boring, because nothing remotely interesting
> in politics ever happens at the state level.

Oh, interesting things happen all the time in local politics here - pity
it tends to be the Chinese kind of interesting. What is it about local
politicians that makes them the worst kind of power-hungry, reality-
incompatible nutcases and maniacs? Possibly it's the frustration of
knowing that if they were any good at their political hobby, they'd
already be in national politics instead of being stuck governing this
hick town.

Richard
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234852 ] Di, 07 März 2006 23:37
raltbos  
bbottorff [at] nomail.com (Boyd Bottorff) wrote:

> > On the plus side, I got to see Bruce Springstein perform for free because he
> > visited here. Oh so did John Kerry, but lets face it, we mainly showed up
> > for Bruce.
>
> I believe it was Winston Churchill who said something along the lines of
> "The greatest arguement against democracy is five minutes with the
> average voter." [1]

> [1] And my corrolary: "The second greatest arguement against democracy
> is five minutes with the average politician."

No, that's the greatest argument _for_ democracy. Imagine all of them
let loose without even the public's votes, however great, unwashed, and
uninformed they may or may not be, to keep them in check...

Richard
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234853 ] Di, 07 März 2006 23:39
bbottorff  
> > I've never understood the concept of "vote for this guy because a
> > popular person is going to vote for him. No special reason to do so
> > that you haven't heard somewhere else, but Springstein/Bono/whoever is
> > going to vote for him, so you should, too."
>
> I didn't vote for Kerry because Bruce liked him.

Sorry, I never meant to imply that this was anything personally. I'm
just amazed at the number of people who do things just because someone
popular says to do them.

Especially those who buy athletic shoes and gear. Guys, don't you know
that your hero wouldn't be saying those things if he wasn't paid to do
so?

> I only even slightly like
> Bruce. I just found it amusing that thousands of college kids (who are often
> percieved to be liberal and politically enthusiastic) only went to the
> political rally of their favorite candidate because a rocker who, lets face
> it, is mainly listened to by our parents' generation was going to be there.

I found that amusing as well. And I don't like Bruce, and I'm even from
your parent's generation.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234855 ] Di, 07 März 2006 23:50
alec  
In article <47587fFdslqrU1 [at] individual.net>, kim [at] lspace.org says...
> Puck wrote:
> > Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
> >> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
> >> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
> >> Australia's marine emblem.
> >>
> >> This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
> >> factor of my vote.
>
> > Well, it all depends on what the other bloke wanted. If it was a sea slug or
> > a sand dollar or something lame like that then go with the Dragon fella. At
> > least Leafy Sea Dragons are cool looking.
>
> Google "leafy sea dragon". Wow, that is really very pretty. Definitely a
> point in this MP's favour. On the other hand, is it sensible to choose a
> species that's even a little bit threatened as your emblem?

Well, the symbol of US, the Bald Eagle, it threatened. In part by
USAnian rednecks who like to fly alongside the poor birds in light
aircraft and blast away at them with guns which in poor countries equip
the national artillery.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234860 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 00:46
Lesley Weston  
in article 1141691325.259184.180460 [at] i39g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
Flesh-eating Dragon at dragon [at] netyp.com.au wrote on 06/03/2006 4:28 PM:

> There's a state election coming up, here in South Australia.
>
> State elections are always boring, because nothing remotely interesting
> in politics ever happens at the state level.
>
> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
> Australia's marine emblem.
>
> This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
> factor of my vote.
>
> Or can it?

Of course it can! What could possibly be more important? Especially as you
say nothing happens at State level.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234870 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 01:18
Puck  
Boyd Bottorff wrote:
> Sorry, I never meant to imply that this was anything personally. I'm
> just amazed at the number of people who do things just because someone
> popular says to do them.
>
> Especially those who buy athletic shoes and gear. Guys, don't you
> know that your hero wouldn't be saying those things if he wasn't paid
> to do so?

Tell me about it. This hit its peak in the early nineties, when Air Jordans
were big. Now it has reached new levels of pathetic with people buying Nike
because Tiger Woods endorses it. Tiger Woods! I have nothing against the man
(although I do not golf) but who in the seven hells needs specialized
clothing to play golf?! Do your shoes need special treads to drive the
little cart?
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234871 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 01:19
Aggie  
"Alec Cawley" <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk> wrote in message
news:MPG.1e78023ead771aef989b52 [at] news.individual.net...
> In article <47587fFdslqrU1 [at] individual.net>, kim [at] lspace.org says...
>> Puck wrote:
>> > Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
>> >> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
>> >> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
>> >> Australia's marine emblem.
>> >>
>> >> This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
>> >> factor of my vote.
>>
>> > Well, it all depends on what the other bloke wanted. If it was a sea
>> > slug or
>> > a sand dollar or something lame like that then go with the Dragon
>> > fella. At
>> > least Leafy Sea Dragons are cool looking.
>>
>> Google "leafy sea dragon". Wow, that is really very pretty. Definitely a
>> point in this MP's favour. On the other hand, is it sensible to choose a
>> species that's even a little bit threatened as your emblem?
>
> Well, the symbol of US, the Bald Eagle, it threatened. In part by
> USAnian rednecks who like to fly alongside the poor birds in light
> aircraft and blast away at them with guns which in poor countries equip
> the national artillery.

Really? I thought it was because of a saturation of DDT in the environment
damaging their eggs.
?
Aggie
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234872 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 01:20
Puck  
Alec Cawley wrote:
> Well, the symbol of US, the Bald Eagle, it threatened. In part by
> USAnian rednecks who like to fly alongside the poor birds in light
> aircraft and blast away at them with guns which in poor countries
> equip the national artillery.

My views on rednecks in general can be summed up in just a few words, all of
them unacceptable even for the internet.
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234875 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 01:26
Puck  
Aggie wrote:
>> Well, the symbol of US, the Bald Eagle, it threatened. In part by
>> USAnian rednecks who like to fly alongside the poor birds in light
>> aircraft and blast away at them with guns which in poor countries
>> equip the national artillery.
>
> Really? I thought it was because of a saturation of DDT in the
> environment damaging their eggs.
> ?
> Aggie

That is the reason they became endangered in the first place (and the real
threat was that the ddt poisoned the fish that they ate). They have been
straddling the line between endangered and not since the mid-nineties I
think (at least that is when I remember reading that they were close to
being taken off the list). Some sites list them as being truly endangered.
thers claim they are "lower risk". I'm not certain what the official status
is.
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234900 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 04:15
bbottorff  
> That is the reason they became endangered in the first place (and the real
> threat was that the ddt poisoned the fish that they ate). They have been
> straddling the line between endangered and not since the mid-nineties I
> think (at least that is when I remember reading that they were close to
> being taken off the list). Some sites list them as being truly endangered.
> thers claim they are "lower risk". I'm not certain what the official status
> is.

Currently under debate about being removed from the list, with about
9000 breeding pairs in the states.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234915 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 06:31
geminii  
On Tue, 07 Mar 2006 22:37:43 GMT, raltbos [at] xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:

[Politicians]

>No, that's the greatest argument _for_ democracy. Imagine all of them
>let loose without even the public's votes, however great, unwashed, and
>uninformed they may or may not be, to keep them in check...

Imagine? I can just watch the evening news.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234964 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 15:13
Arthur Hagen  
Boyd Bottorff <bbottorff [at] nomail.com> wrote:
>> That is the reason they became endangered in the first place (and
>> the real threat was that the ddt poisoned the fish that they ate).
>> They have been straddling the line between endangered and not since
>> the mid-nineties I think (at least that is when I remember reading
>> that they were close to being taken off the list). Some sites list
>> them as being truly endangered. thers claim they are "lower risk".
>> I'm not certain what the official status is.
>
> Currently under debate about being removed from the list, with about
> 9000 breeding pairs in the states.

9000 breeding pairs of ... local politicians?

Recommendation: When snipping, either leave the only part that shows a new
reader what you're actually discussing, insert a [topic of discussion] where
snipped, or change the subject. The above makes absolutely no sense
otherwise.

--
*Art
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234966 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 15:25
Daibhid Ceannaideach  
Also Sprach Arthur Hagen:

> Boyd Bottorff <bbottorff [at] nomail.com> wrote:

>> Currently under debate about being removed from the list,
>> with about 9000 breeding pairs in the states.
>
> 9000 breeding pairs of ... local politicians?

What a horrifying thought...


--
Dave
Official Absentee of EU Skiffeysoc
http://www.eusa.ed.ac.uk/societies/sesoc
"Be reasonable, demand the impossible now" -Robb Johnson
"Run before you walk, fly before you crawl" -Moist von Lipwig
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234971 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 15:36
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Daibhid Ceanaideach wrote:
> Also Sprach Arthur Hagen:
> > Boyd Bottorff wrote:
>
> >> Currently under debate about being removed from the list,
> >> with about 9000 breeding pairs in the states.
> >
> > 9000 breeding pairs of ... local politicians?
>
> What a horrifying thought...

The following is quoted from an email I received from a friend last
month.

Begin Quote

Did I ever tell you about my proposal for castrating all newly
elected MPs? The reasoning being this (from the least important to
the most):
A. Many politicians, at least in these parts, have children who
later become politicians themselves. Prevention, as every, is
preferable to treatment.
B. Many great nations of yore - the Byzantines and their Ottoman
successors come to mind - have been most successfully ruled by
eunuchs.
C. Most importantly, many MPs lack the conviction, the willingness
to lose all - or at least a bit - for the right to pursue their
calling. Castration is the ultimate test of their willingness to
govern.

End Quote

Adrian.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #234999 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 16:30
Flesh-eating Dragon  
Lesley Weston wrote:
> Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:

> > The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
> > person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
> > Australia's marine emblem.
> >
> > This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
> > factor of my vote.
> >
> > Or can it?
>
> Of course it can! What could possibly be more important? Especially as you
> say nothing happens at State level.

If you enjoy being bored, go read
http://www.abc.net.au/elections/sa/2006/ - you can find out all about
South Australian politics. I'm in Davenport.

Our local MP from the Liberal party, Iain Evans (Google him if you want
to), if he gets his job back as Environment Minister, intends to
establish 19 marine parks, offer people $700 rebates for installing
solar water heaters and air conditioners, and other stuff like that
(there's a whole brochure full of examples). Which on the whole sound
like good things.

OTOH, I have more faith in the Labor party's ability to govern than in
the Liberals - Labor is currently in power and I think they're doing a
tolerably good job. Also, the Liberals are more inclined to make shady
deals with radical conservative parties - you know, the kind who claim
to be Christian - which I don't like at all.

So the question is whether to vote with parties, or with local
candidates, in mind.

In a way, it doesn't matter who I vote for because this is a safe
Liberal seat and Iain Evans will get in no matter what I do.

Adrian.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235013 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 18:57
Lesley Weston  
in article dumopm$7lv$1 [at] tree.lightning.broomstick.com, Arthur Hagen at
art [at] broomstick.com wrote on 08/03/2006 6:13 AM:

> Boyd Bottorff <bbottorff [at] nomail.com> wrote:
>>> That is the reason they became endangered in the first place (and
>>> the real threat was that the ddt poisoned the fish that they ate).
>>> They have been straddling the line between endangered and not since
>>> the mid-nineties I think (at least that is when I remember reading
>>> that they were close to being taken off the list). Some sites list
>>> them as being truly endangered. thers claim they are "lower risk".
>>> I'm not certain what the official status is.
>>
>> Currently under debate about being removed from the list, with about
>> 9000 breeding pairs in the states.
>
> 9000 breeding pairs of ... local politicians?

Gods forbid!

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235015 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 19:06
Lesley Weston  
in article 1141831846.805224.91070 [at] j52g2000cwj.googlegroups.com,
Flesh-eating Dragon at dragon [at] netyp.com.au wrote on 08/03/2006 7:30 AM:


<snip>

> In a way, it doesn't matter who I vote for because this is a safe
> Liberal seat and Iain Evans will get in no matter what I do.

Isn't that irritating? This is also a safe Liberal seat [1], so every
eighteen months or so, my Federal vote is wasted, and every four years my
Provincial vote is wasted. Still, it's not worth moving.

[1] Read "Not nearly as liberal as I'd like, not even as liberal as the
NDP[2], but slightly further left than the Conservatives, if you can tell
them apart."

[2] Supposedly a left-wing party, but you could have fooled me.

--
Lesley Weston.

Brightly_coloured_blob is real, but I don't often check even the few bits
that get through Yahoo's filters. To reach me, use leswes att shaw dott ca,
changing spelling and spacing as required.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235037 ] Mi, 08 März 2006 20:34
alec  
In article <OqpPf.1202$k75.1097 [at] newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net>,
aggieangst [at] yourway.com says...
>
> "Alec Cawley" <alec [at] spamspam.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1e78023ead771aef989b52 [at] news.individual.net...
> > In article <47587fFdslqrU1 [at] individual.net>, kim [at] lspace.org says...
> >> Puck wrote:
> >> > Flesh-eating Dragon wrote:
> >> >> The promotional material I got today reveals that my local MP is the
> >> >> person who, in 2000, declared the Leafy Sea Dragon to be South
> >> >> Australia's marine emblem.
> >> >>
> >> >> This definitely works in his favour, but it can't be the deciding
> >> >> factor of my vote.
> >>
> >> > Well, it all depends on what the other bloke wanted. If it was a sea
> >> > slug or
> >> > a sand dollar or something lame like that then go with the Dragon
> >> > fella. At
> >> > least Leafy Sea Dragons are cool looking.
> >>
> >> Google "leafy sea dragon". Wow, that is really very pretty. Definitely a
> >> point in this MP's favour. On the other hand, is it sensible to choose a
> >> species that's even a little bit threatened as your emblem?
> >
> > Well, the symbol of US, the Bald Eagle, it threatened. In part by
> > USAnian rednecks who like to fly alongside the poor birds in light
> > aircraft and blast away at them with guns which in poor countries equip
> > the national artillery.
>
> Really? I thought it was because of a saturation of DDT in the environment
> damaging their eggs.

The DDT has dropped sharply since it was banned in all developed
countrues about 20 years ago and is no longer reckoned to be a major
problem, but the population has not increased. As in most cases of
endangered larger animals, the real underlying cause is habitat loss.
But airborne rednecks are a significant secondary problem.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235117 ] Do, 09 März 2006 00:15
Eric Jarvis  
Puck Kormos.4 [at] osu.edu wrote in <dul7su$f3g$1 [at] charm.magnus.acs.ohio-
state.edu>:
> Boyd Bottorff wrote:
> > Sorry, I never meant to imply that this was anything personally. I'm
> > just amazed at the number of people who do things just because someone
> > popular says to do them.
> >
> > Especially those who buy athletic shoes and gear. Guys, don't you
> > know that your hero wouldn't be saying those things if he wasn't paid
> > to do so?
>
> Tell me about it. This hit its peak in the early nineties, when Air Jordans
> were big. Now it has reached new levels of pathetic with people buying Nike
> because Tiger Woods endorses it. Tiger Woods! I have nothing against the man
> (although I do not golf) but who in the seven hells needs specialized
> clothing to play golf?! Do your shoes need special treads to drive the
> little cart?
>

That's not quite how it is supposed to work. As I understand it, brands
such as Nike sell the brand as a symbol of a set of "lifestyle choices".
Thus a fashion conscious person (or a fashion unconscious sheep) will
choose to buy products from that brand because it "makes a statement"
about who they are and what they aspire to. At least that's how the
marketing people intend it to work. So Nike Boy is somebody who identifies
with Tiger Woods and other celebrities who endorse the brand, and will buy
a range of products with that label. Meanwhile Gap Girl buys most of her
clothes from Gap, and much the same happens with Mister Reebok and Mrs
Marksandspencers.

Of course the statement that such behaviour usually make is "I am a
foolish wastrel who attempts to achieve self esteem by aping celebrities
rather than trying to achieve anything myself".

Personally I have a range of cheap knock offs with designer labels, but no
two with the same brand. That means that to those who bother about all
this stuff I'm sending contradictory signals that make it impossible for
them to understand who they think I want to be. I have successfully goaded
the UK marketing director of a major clothing label to complete apoplexy
by this method. Which is probably because he was smart enough to realise
it was a deliberate and personal attack on his entire raison d'etre.

--
eric - afprelationships in headers
www.ericjarvis.co.uk
"live fast, die only if strictly necessary"
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235119 ] Do, 09 März 2006 01:22
Puck  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
> Personally I have a range of cheap knock offs with designer labels,
> but no two with the same brand. That means that to those who bother
> about all this stuff I'm sending contradictory signals that make it
> impossible for them to understand who they think I want to be. I have
> successfully goaded the UK marketing director of a major clothing
> label to complete apoplexy by this method. Which is probably because
> he was smart enough to realise it was a deliberate and personal
> attack on his entire raison d'etre.

I don't give two sausages-inna-bun over brand name clothing, but if I did I
would take a much more devious approach. Buy a couple of blank t-shirts, get
the company logo off the internet, and print it out onto iron-on paper.
Wallah! Instant brand name for probably about a tenth of the price And
that's cutting me own throat.

P.S. while I heartily recomend this method for anyone who wants to make
their own clothing and stick it to the retailers, *do not* ever think it is
okay to sell such wares to anyone.
--
Puck (onstage): I am that merry wanderer of the night!
Peaseblossom (in audience): "I am that merry wanderer of the night",
indeed! "I am that
giggling-dangerous-totally-bloody-psychotic-menace-to-life and limb,
more like." -Neil Gaiman
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235133 ] Do, 09 März 2006 02:53
Andrew Perry  
Eric Jarvis wrote:
>
> That's not quite how it is supposed to work. As I understand it, brands
> such as Nike sell the brand as a symbol of a set of "lifestyle choices".
> Thus a fashion conscious person (or a fashion unconscious sheep) will
> choose to buy products from that brand because it "makes a statement"
> about who they are and what they aspire to. At least that's how the
> marketing people intend it to work. So Nike Boy is somebody who identifies
> with Tiger Woods and other celebrities who endorse the brand, and will buy
> a range of products with that label. Meanwhile Gap Girl buys most of her
> clothes from Gap, and much the same happens with Mister Reebok and Mrs
> Marksandspencers.
>
> Of course the statement that such behaviour usually make is "I am a
> foolish wastrel who attempts to achieve self esteem by aping celebrities
> rather than trying to achieve anything myself".
>
> Personally I have a range of cheap knock offs with designer labels, but no
> two with the same brand. That means that to those who bother about all
> this stuff I'm sending contradictory signals that make it impossible for
> them to understand who they think I want to be. I have successfully goaded
> the UK marketing director of a major clothing label to complete apoplexy
> by this method. Which is probably because he was smart enough to realise
> it was a deliberate and personal attack on his entire raison d'etre.

I use a different tactic, but through sheer serendipity rather than any
deliberate brandwhorage.

I wear 5.11 Tactical almost exclusively because it's incredibly good and
comfortable kit. There are four pockets on the shirt alone, and if I
were to empty my pockets - not counting the massive amount of stuff on
my belt - it actually weighs over four kilos.

But the point is, it's brand-name kit. But a brand that nobody outside
the police/military/mountaineering community has ever heard of, which is
nice.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235153 ] Do, 09 März 2006 09:41
SeekUp  
"Flesh-eating Dragon" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote
> Begin Quote
>
> Did I ever tell you about my proposal for castrating all newly
> elected MPs? The reasoning being this (from the least important to
> the most):
<snip>
>
> End Quote

What a blow that would be to the British tabloids!
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235161 ] Do, 09 März 2006 10:12
vashti  
It wasn't a dark and stormy night when Puck wrote:

> I don't give two sausages-inna-bun over brand name clothing, but if I
> did I would take a much more devious approach. Buy a couple of blank
> t-shirts, get the company logo off the internet, and print it out onto
> iron-on paper. Wallah! Instant brand name for probably about a tenth
> of the price And that's cutting me own throat.

My SO customised a pair of wooden clogs with the Nike "swoosh" thingy,
dead kewl they were!<g> The roller-skate clogs were less than ideal but
were coveted enough by others for them to have been stolen from his tent
at a music festival. Can't think why anyone would try to roller-skate on
a muddy field myself.


Vashti
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235169 ] Do, 09 März 2006 12:49
Sanity  
raltbos [at] xs4all.nl (Richard Bos) wrote:

> "Flesh-eating Dragon" <dragon [at] netyp.com.au> wrote:
>
>> There's a state election coming up, here in South Australia.
>
> Local council elections this very day, in the Netherlands.

And I didn't make it into the council :( Still, we're stable at 3 seats,
which is nice.

--
TTFN, | AFPChess, Plaet AFP, L-Files & more:
| http://www.affordable-prawns.co.uk/
| Featuring Planet AFP, a collection of afpers' blogs!
Michel AKA Sanity | Jabber IM: michel [at] jabber.xs4all.nl
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235181 ] Do, 09 März 2006 13:29
naomi  
Lesley Weston wrote:
> in article dumopm$7lv$1 [at] tree.lightning.broomstick.com, Arthur Hagen at
> art [at] broomstick.com wrote on 08/03/2006 6:13 AM:
>
>> Boyd Bottorff <bbottorff [at] nomail.com> wrote:
>>>> That is the reason they became endangered in the first place (and
>>>> the real threat was that the ddt poisoned the fish that they ate).
>>>> They have been straddling the line between endangered and not since
>>>> the mid-nineties I think (at least that is when I remember reading
>>>> that they were close to being taken off the list). Some sites list
>>>> them as being truly endangered. thers claim they are "lower risk".
>>>> I'm not certain what the official status is.
>>> Currently under debate about being removed from the list, with about
>>> 9000 breeding pairs in the states.
>> 9000 breeding pairs of ... local politicians?
>
> Gods forbid!
>

Yuck! have you seen what most politicians (of both sexes) look like?
Would they *want* to bred with each other. Aussies will understand my
point when mention some supposedly female pollies by name : Bronwyn
Bishop, Cheryl Kernow, Carmen Lawrence and worst of all Pauline Hanson. Erk.

I like Adrians Idea, although one look at the female politicians around
here and the blokes would either line up to be castrated or turn Gay.
Either way no procreation.

n

Please note, I'm not bagging their political abilities, in most cases
women make better politicians then men, although to counter that
arguement once again 'Pauline'.
Re: [I] Local politics [message #235187 ] Do, 09 März 2006 13:38
Flesh-eating Dragon  
naomi wrote:

> Yuck! have you seen what most politicians (of both sexes) look like?
> Would they *want* to bred with each other. Aussies will understand my
> point when mention some supposedly female pollies by name : Bronwyn
> Bishop, Cheryl Kernow, Carmen Lawrence and worst of all Pauline Hanson. Erk.

Dunno what you mean by "supposedly", there.

> I like Adrians Idea, although one look at the female politicians around
> here and the blokes would either line up to be castrated or turn Gay.
> Either way no procreation.

It's not my idea. It's from a friend of mine.

Adrian.
Vorheriges Thema:David Chapman - a fucking asshole
Nächstes Thema:[I] There are three lights.
Gehe zu:
  


aktuelle Zeit: Fr Mai 25 16:13:23 CEST 2012

Insgesamt benötigte Zeit, um die Seite zu erzeugen: 0,10155 Sekunden
.:: Startseite - Hinweise - Impressum ::.

Powered